Ryan Van Duzer is a 46-year-old adventurer, filmmaker, and bike-powered storyteller who has spent the past two decades turning his obsession with movement into a full-time career. (duzertv.com)
After a two-year Peace Corps stint in Honduras, Ryan skipped the flight home, bought a $700 bicycle, and pedaled 4,000 miles back to Boulder, Colorado—a trip that changed his life and set him on a path toward sharing human-powered adventures with the world. What followed were years of scraping by as a travel-channel hopeful, living with his mom, chasing production gigs, and refusing to quit when every practical voice said he should.
At age 36, he walked away from TV and started over on YouTube. Now he earns a six-figure income through ad revenue, Patreon, bike-design royalties, and public speaking—but he still rides everywhere, owns no car, and keeps his expenses low.
We dig into the years when he lived on almost nothing, the slow grind toward creative control, and the constant tension between documenting life and living it. Ryan opens up about how his “get off the couch” mantra evolved from personal fitness to something broader: a way of rebuilding social fabric in an age of isolation.
We also discuss the doubts that creep in as he ages out of being the “young, spunky YouTube adventurer,” the exhaustion of constant content creation, and why the freedom he fought for still feels worth it.
Full transcript: dirtbagrich.com/duzer
Recorded in November 2025.
Transcript
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Blake Boles (00:01)
Ryan Van Duzer, welcome to Dirtbag Rich.
Ryan Van Duzer (00:05)
Thank you so much for having me. I’m psyched to be here.
Blake Boles (00:08)
Tell me about the grandest adventure of each decade of your life so far. You can start with like age zero to 10 if you’d like, but definitely teens, twenties, thirties, and now forties.
Ryan Van Duzer (00:19)
Okay, wow. I think when I was a little kid, you know, learning how to ride a bike obviously was when I was about six or seven years old. That played a huge role and it was foreshadowed a lot of future adventure. So I think learning how to ride a bike and it was terrifying because as a kid, you know, you’re on this two wheeled machine that wobbles around and you have to have your dad on the back with his hand helping you along. Maybe you have training wheels, maybe you don’t.
And just the failure of, you know, crashing and being bummed out and discouraged and getting up and doing it over and over and over and over has been the theme of my life. So learning how to ride a bike, let’s go to the teens. I would say my biggest adventure in my teens was being a high school cross country runner. I was very focused on being a good runner and I trained a lot.
And think that’s where I learned a lot of discipline in my twenties. I guess my biggest adventure was my first big bike adventure. I was a Peace Corps volunteer in Honduras for two years. And instead of flying home after my service, like all of the other volunteers, I traded in my plane ticket, got about $700 and I used all of that money to buy a bicycle and fund my adventure riding my bike from Honduras.
through Central America and Mexico all the way back to Boulder, Colorado, about 4,000 miles. And that was the adventure. It was so fun. I loved it. Opened my eyes to the world and to how wonderful humanity can be. And that really planted the seed for wanting to do more bike adventures and figuring out a way to get paid to ride my bike around the world and make content and share it with the world. So that’s the twenties.
30s, let’s say, um, I was on a discovery channel survival show in the jungles of Venezuela. And I didn’t quite know what I was signing up for when I, uh, joined this nine person team that was flown to Venezuela and we were dropped off in the jungle and we had to figure out everything ourselves. We didn’t have tents or sleeping bags or traditional camping gear. We ate.
bugs, termites, grub worms, whatever we could find to feed ourselves. I lost over 35 pounds in 30 days when I was out there. It was the most difficult adventure of my life mentally and physically. So that’s it. That was the biggest adventure of my thirties among lots of other adventures. And now in my forties, just trying to make a business out of all of this on YouTube.
Blake Boles (02:57)
Heheheheh… Uuugh…
Ryan Van Duzer (03:16)
and sharing stories of my adventures in hopes of inspiring people, the viewers, to say, hey, you know what? I see that Ryan guy on YouTube having a great time. I wanna do what he’s doing. So my whole goal is to inspire people to get up off their couches and go out and challenge themselves.
Blake Boles (03:34)
We’re definitely going to get back to that. I want to linger and ask when your peak dirt bag phase was. And to me, that means you were living on next to nothing and you were trying to follow some sort of like mission or vision of, know, follow your passion, not just, not just do whatever you have to.
Ryan Van Duzer (03:55)
Man, I mean, as a Peace Corps volunteer, I got paid $60 a month to live in a small Honduran village. And that obviously is not a lot of money, but they paid us, paid us on the level of what the locals make. And so it was enough, you know, and I would use that money, even though was only $60, I would still save a lot. I would try to spend as little as possible. I’d be eating my rice and beans and not splurging.
on the ice cream bar at the corner tienda, you know, and saving that money so I could go travel around Honduras and visit the other volunteers and go to Guatemala. And, you know, I really wanted, even though I was in Honduras and that’s technically traveling, that was my home though. I wanted to see more of Central America. So I went every weekend or every other weekend I could to explore and living off of nothing, staying in hostels, crashing on other Peace Corps friends’ couches, whatever it was.
Blake Boles (04:58)
Have you ever had like a normal job, Ryan?
Ryan Van Duzer (05:01)
Not really. No, even in my first job ever, I worked for the local newspaper here in Boulder, Colorado. And this is when I was in sixth grade and I would go door to door knocking on doors, settling subscriptions to the local paper. And I did that all the way through high school because I came from a family where single mom, four kids didn’t have a lot of extra money. And she said, if you want something, you’re going to have to, you know,
find a way to get it yourself. And so I mowed lawns during the summer. I had a little lawn mowing business and I sold newspapers and ⁓ that just, I think, built up somewhat of an entrepreneurial spirit in me that, okay, if I want to travel or get stuff in life, I’m going to have to work it out because it’s not being given to me.
Blake Boles (05:53)
I still want to dig a bit more into like your best crisis moment here. And I’d love to find out when you got back from your bike ride from Honduras, I know that you had graduated with a degree in ⁓ broadcast media. Is that right? You were ready to make TV. And how did that work out for you? What did your attempts to get into TV production look like? And did they work out for you?
Ryan Van Duzer (06:18)
Yeah, that’s a great question. Cause, ⁓ man, it was a roller coaster. So yes, I got a degree in broadcast journalism. I didn’t want to be like a local news anchor or reporter. did an internship in college at the NBC station in Denver. And although it was exciting to be around the TV studio, I realized that that’s not the type of stories I wanted to tell. I wanted to tell long form stories in the shape of
you know, documentaries or something. And I thought that working for like the travel channel or some sort of adventure media would be what I wanted to do most. Cause after I got home from the peace Corps and I rode my bike home, I filmed the whole adventure on my little Sony handicap. And I made like a five minute clip of the adventure and I submitted that to the travel channel.
saying, Hey, I want to be a TV host. I want to travel the world. Look what I’ve done. And it was ⁓ a tough journey through the TV world. Let’s just say, I did get my foot in the door eventually with travel channel. And this is when they were, you know, this is when like digital cameras and thousand dollar laptops had editing software and you actually could make broadcast quality productions with, know,
$1,000 camera and $1,000 laptop. Whereas before there was some serious gear you needed if you really wanted to produce TV and there weren’t a whole lot of outlets because you know, there was only TV, but now there’s, you know, online and YouTube and streaming channels and all this other stuff. So I got my foot in at the travel channel and my goal was to be like a TV host. I wanted to be a travel adventure guy like Steve Irwin, the crocodile hunter or something. He was a big influence.
And for about 10 years, I played the TV game. would go to auditions in New York and LA and, know, I had some success. Obviously I was on a discovery channel show and I worked for the travel channel and shot pilots for history channel and stuff, but it was endlessly frustrating because I had no control over really anything. Like I could do a great job on a video and then submit it to travel channel or something.
And then for reasons out of my control, you know, they would say yes or no. And so after about 10 years of playing the TV game and driving myself nuts, I decided, you know what? There’s this thing called YouTube. I see people on there creating really high quality content. This is when Casey Neistat was doing daily vlogs. And I was like, I want, I want to do this. This guy is amazing. So I started doing YouTube and said goodbye to the TV world.
Blake Boles (08:59)
wow, okay.
Ryan Van Duzer (09:07)
and started just creating my own travel show, essentially, know, fake it till you make it mindset. And here I am today as a full-time YouTuber creating travel adventure content.
Blake Boles (09:19)
Hmm.
What year was that and how old were you?
Ryan Van Duzer (09:24)
Yeah. So when I finally moved into the, the YouTube world, it was, I was 36 years old. That was 2016 where I finally said, okay, I’m done playing the TV game and I’m going to put everything I have into YouTube. And that meant I was starting with a channel of zero subscribers and slowly. And I mean slowly built it up. Like I would make a video.
Blake Boles (09:33)
Okay.
Ryan Van Duzer (09:50)
and it might get 127 views. know, you’re like, wow, this is going to take a long time to like actually be able to monetize this. And then my next video would get a few more views and a few more. I never had a viral hit that launched me. It just took a lot of persistence.
Blake Boles (10:06)
Hmm. There’s this great article about you published in 2022 by the Colorado sun that describes you as Colorado’s first outdoor content creator. And, and also said that at roughly this time, uh, 2016, you were thinking about going back to a job you had done before organizing an afterschool program. Um, were you an educator for a while?
Ryan Van Duzer (10:27)
Yeah.
I wasn’t like a full on educator. I always loved working with kids at risk youth, even through high school. I volunteered at the local, you know, community school, the afterschool program with Mexican immigrant kids. You know, I always, ⁓ I just, I wanted to work with kids who needed a little extra help. And even in a town like Boulder, which is really well off, there are people who need help. And so at a young age, I got into
that type of work and I loved it. And in college, I volunteered at orphanages in the Dominican Republic. I worked in Guatemala and that led to the Peace Corps. I’ve always had a service mindset. You know, again, single mom, four kids. We received a lot of help from people and so I wanted to pay that back. And I also loved Latin American culture and the language and I really wanted to help these, these kids and
That’s kind of how it started, but no, was never a full on real educator as a teacher or something. I didn’t get a degree in education, but I always loved working with kids. Even in the Honduras, my project was youth development. I worked with kids for those two years.
Blake Boles (11:39)
Mm-hmm.
I can see how you would be a magnet for kids of all ages. And I know that part of how you make a living today is by public speaking, which includes speaking for high school groups, colleges. ⁓ Tell me a bit about your public speaking and how that’s evolved over the years. Where did it begin?
Ryan Van Duzer (12:01)
I would say it began even in high school. I’ve really loved being in front of audiences and telling stories. I was the junior and senior class president. So I think that’s how I got some practice speaking in front of groups of people. And I, from there, you know, in college, I worked with, ⁓ at-risk youth through volunteer programs at the university of Colorado.
And I would go to these classes and just talk to kids. And I was, I’m, you know, kind of young, young at heart and playful. And I could connect with them on a human to human level. wasn’t just some old stodgy guy telling them how to live their lives. I was like, Hey guys, you know, I’m one of you. just a little bit older. This is what I’ve created in my life. It’s really fun. There’s no rules. You don’t have to do it. Society tells you to be successful, right? You can do what I’m doing. And this is my roadmap.
and I didn’t come from money. This hasn’t been an easy road. It’s all about persistence and just being relentless for what you really want. And that’s really been my message since day one. And I’ve, I’ve talked from, you know, elementary schools, middle schools, high school, college, and I just, I love showing young people a different view of what’s possible with their lives.
Blake Boles (13:23)
So what was your message earlier on? Because I can certainly imagine in the past five years when you’ve become this very successful YouTube personality, I mean, that’s a direct way to connect with young people today. But back before, know, pre YouTube, what were you saying like, this is my life and you can have a similar kind of life too. What was the model you were proposing to them?
Ryan Van Duzer (13:34)
Yeah.
I was like, you know, I came from this family, single mom, four kids. I grew up never traveling because we didn’t have the money. For me, I would travel through TV by watching Discovery Channel or Travel Channel and watching documentaries. And for me, that was, that was exciting, but that’s all I could do. And then I started working and saving up all my money and spending the only money I had on plane tickets to far off places.
And essentially just telling young people that, you know, and at this time I wasn’t a YouTuber. I didn’t have the proof of say, Hey, look at me. I’m a YouTuber. Back then it was just like, Hey, I’m traveling the world and connecting with wonderful humans all over the place. And this truly for me is what lights my soul on fire is traveling and connecting with humans and learning about other cultures and languages. And you can do it too, you know, and it doesn’t have to be far off. Not everybody’s dream is to go travel the world, right? There’s
Blake Boles (14:22)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Ryan Van Duzer (14:43)
all sorts of different kinds of dreams. But the message really was, hey, if you want to do something with your life, you know, there’s a good chance you can make it happen because we can all get stuck in these societal pressures of what we should be doing. You have to get good grades to get into a good college and you go to a good college so you can get that good job and buy a house and buy stuff and how, you know, cars and boats or whatever it is.
And I never subscribed to that point of view. I was like, you know what, you can do all that and that’s great. If that’s your dream, right on. But if you don’t want to do that, there are other ways to live life that are very meaningful and add value to the world. Again, I go back to my service mindset. How can I make this world a better place?
Blake Boles (15:23)
Mm-hmm.
Hmm. So traveling internationally and connecting with people all over the world sounds like a big thing. know you also encourage people to go on, on bicycle trips of any variety and you’re an ultra runner also just getting out into nature using your body. ⁓ yeah, these are all, ⁓ themes right in line with the dirt bag rich ethos here. ⁓ I want to ask how specifically do you make money at this moment in your life? Or it could be in the recent.
era there’s the YouTube, ⁓ no one really knows how to make money from YouTube, maybe you can explain how you make money from YouTube and then the public speaking and what else do you have going for
Ryan Van Duzer (16:14)
Yeah, good question. It’s like the number one question I get is how do you make money on YouTube? So we’ll take a few steps back. Back when I, before YouTube, I would do gig work, essentially, like, you know, I’ll come and film your event or maybe I’ll host a little video series for travel channel and you get paid X amount of dollars. Now with YouTube, I am in control of everything, essentially.
So when you watch a YouTube video, you see those annoying ads pop up and everybody hits skip, right? And, but we get pennies on the dollar for those ads that pop up. And if you have enough views, it turns into some real money. When I first started with YouTube, I remember the very first check I ever got was $16. And I wondered how am I, yeah, whoo, I was rolling in it. I wondered how am I ever going to make a living with this kind of money? You know,
Blake Boles (17:03)
Nice.
Ryan Van Duzer (17:12)
I was good at living on little money, but this was really pittance. It was a little bit money, little. So, uh, my channel now is bigger. Obviously I get money from YouTube ads. I also have Patreon, which I really love. And if for people who don’t know what that is, Patreon is a way that you can support your favorite creator. Maybe it’s a podcast or YouTuber or whatever artist. Maybe you pledge $3 a month, $5 a month. And you do that because
You want to support this artist and you want them to keep doing their work. And so I have a pretty strong Patreon and I also give my patrons, you know, early release videos and like zoom calls and access to talk with me about anything. So they get a little bit more for their money. And I love that because it’s community funded. I truly feel like my channel is owned by the viewers, which is great. And I’m only beholden to them.
Whereas, you know, a lot of people in on YouTube will do brand deals with, you know, a jacket brand or soda, whatever it is. And you get paid by those companies to make a video. And I never wanted to turn my channel into a commercial where I was constantly selling things to my audience. I wanted them to get real genuine reviews on gear that I buy myself. Whereas, cause if you get
paid by a brand to talk about their new tent or whatever it is, you have to say good things, you know, even if it’s not a very good tent. So now I can say whatever I want because I buy all my own stuff. So Patreon is big. I also work closely with a bike company in New York called Priority Bicycles and I’ve designed a couple of my own adventure bikes and I use those bikes in my videos.
Blake Boles (18:48)
Hmm.
Ryan Van Duzer (19:07)
And I don’t really talk about them all that much. They’re just kind of organically in there. It’s not like I’m like, Hey, check out my brand new, awesome priority bike. Like I just don’t want to be that in your face with selling things to my channel. But over time, people are like, okay, Ryan rides this bike all the time. He must really like it. And it seems to be doing, doing well. So maybe I should look into buying this bike and I get royalties off the sales of those bicycles. And then
Public speaking, you know, I don’t charge schools money. I always do that stuff for free because schools obviously are hurting for money, but I do charge for, you know, any type of corporate anything.
Blake Boles (19:40)
Hmm.
Can you tell me a bit more about the distribution of your self-employment income and maybe how that’s evolved over time? I’m aware that during the pandemic is when your YouTube channel really took off, especially with your video about riding the great divide on your mountain bike. ⁓ So I imagine YouTube income picked up then and prior to that, was it more of your freelance video work that was sustaining you? And if you can tell me how much money you made each year, roughly speaking, that’d be even better.
Ryan Van Duzer (20:17)
Yeah, yeah, for sure. So for most of my career, I’ve been the starving artist making just enough to get by. When I worked for travel channel and I would do random jobs for them, I started at like $500 a video, which is not much money at all. If you’re like traveling somewhere, using all of your own video equipment, filming, editing, know, $500 is almost nothing, but it got my foot in the door.
Blake Boles (20:41)
Sure, yeah.
Ryan Van Duzer (20:44)
And luckily at the time I was living at home at my mom’s house in her basement and I was in my early thirties after the Peace Corps. So I didn’t need to make much money. I was saving it cause I was living with mama, but the travel channel money slowly increased. remember the first time I got like a big job, it was $20,000 and I was just blown away. was like, my God, this is an insane amount of money. And it was for like 20 different videos and ⁓
I was like, okay, this is, this is actually could become a thing if this type of money keeps rolling in. That’s the problem with the entertainment video world though. It doesn’t always roll in. could end at any moment. And that’s what happened with travel channel. They got bought out by a new parent company and they kind of did away with all of us, you know, online creators at the time.
And that’s really what inspired me to go to YouTube in 2016. I was like, okay, I can no longer rely on travel channel. And I, you know, I did other production jobs outside of travel channel for, 500 bucks, thousand bucks, you know, local stuff here in Boulder, Colorado and for, and YouTube for the first gosh, eight years or so, I didn’t really make much money, maybe 30 or $40,000 a year total with everything that I was doing.
Blake Boles (22:04)
Mm-hmm.
Mm-hmm.
Ryan Van Duzer (22:07)
And then during the pandemic, like you said, it really did go up because I think people were looking for content to watch. They were looking for uplifting videos. They were looking for ways to safely social distance. And that was on a bike, right? So bike sales boomed in 2020 all over the world. Everybody’s buying new bikes. They go to YouTube to find bike content and they’re finding my videos. So in 2020, I’m not looking at my tax records right now, but I think I made
30 or $40,000 just off of YouTube ads. So that was a huge increase. And then I started my Patreon about at the same time making another 30 or $40,000. And then I started designing these bicycles with Priority. And my first check from Priority was $25,000. So all of a sudden, I’m making six figures.
Blake Boles (22:42)
Nice. Wow.
Ryan Van Duzer (23:04)
which was huge for me. I never in a million years thought I would make that much money. And now I’m a multi-billionaire. Just kidding. But it’s hovered around that for since the pandemic. And again, like I don’t need a ton of money. I’ve always, I’d never had a car in my life. I ride my bike everywhere. That obviously saves a lot of money, you know, and, I don’t have a lot of stuff or things and fancy
Blake Boles (23:04)
Mm-hmm. Mm-hmm.
I’m right there with you.
Alright. ⁓
Ryan Van Duzer (23:33)
whatever, you know, so I keep my expenses low and I try to save my money for cool stuff.
Blake Boles (23:39)
It’s,
it’s pretty amazing that you’re 46 now and the, the takeoff period into this, into having much more money really only happened about five years ago for you, which means you were, you were riding this, this, this dirtbag train through your twenties and your thirties. feel like by, by the mid to late thirties, a lot of people will just cave in and give up and be like, all right, I tried living my
Ryan Van Duzer (23:51)
Yeah.
Blake Boles (24:08)
artist dream, I tried living my outdoor adventure or sponsorship dream, and clearly I’m just going to be poor forever. And why did you not give up at that moment in your, let’s say mid to late thirties? Like living frugally is one thing, but there’s this whole other layer of, of self image and identity and comparing yourself to others. I lived in Boulder briefly for six months back in 2015.
And like, I never felt more inadequate in my life. Like everyone had just sold their startup and had 2.5 children wearing Patagonia and were running ultra marathons at 4 a.m. And I was like, my gosh. So please just tell me, how did you keep going?
Ryan Van Duzer (24:52)
You know, I never have gotten caught up with any of that and comparing myself to others. Even starting as a kid, I was always a bit of an outcast, but an outcast in a good way. You know, I was really involved in high school and student council, but I was a total dork and I embraced it. I never really cared about being a cool guy. You know, single mom, four kids. We didn’t have money for the fancy clothes. We are not your typical.
Boulder family that goes on vacation and has fancy cars and a big house. That’s just wasn’t ever a part of my life. And I, I didn’t care about it. So even up until my mid thirties, late, you know, late thirties, even though I wasn’t making much money, I didn’t care because I had everything that I needed. I wasn’t hurting. You know, I, ⁓ after I moved out of my mom’s basement at age 30,
I bought an affordable apartment here in Boulder. There’s an affordable housing program for young professionals who don’t make a ton of money. Obviously Boulder is an expensive place, so they have this subsidized housing. So I had an apartment on my own, but it was still pretty cheap. So I was never hurting for money and I was doing what I loved. had the freedom to hang out with friends when they happened to come into town on a Tuesday midday. I didn’t have that nine to five job. I could, you know, go traveling at the, you know,
whenever I wanted to on a whim and spend 500 bucks and go to Mexico and not just go to Mexico, but create content and, have a great time down there and learn more about the world. So I, yeah, I just, I never worried about it. Like it, it’s weird to say, cause people probably like, yeah, right. Everybody worries about money, but I just didn’t.
Blake Boles (26:35)
Well, it sounds like you’re just having such a fun time living your life that maybe there wasn’t a lot of extra bandwidth for worrying about it.
Ryan Van Duzer (26:43)
Yeah. And I was living a rich life. Like I was getting to travel. was seeing the world at, you know, my, by my mid thirties, late thirties, I was in like the travel blogger world where, know, you would get PR companies to send you around the world on press trips with other, you know, travel bloggers. And so you get all this free travel and you go write articles or you make videos and you help promote whatever they want promoted.
And so I lived a very rich life. I had tons of freedom. I traveled, I had great friends, you know, I’m healthy. I’m running and biking all the time. live in Boulder, Colorado, which is a wonderful community. And I was, I was, I was happy with how things were going. And I knew that someday, if I just kept following what I loved doing, that someday the money would come. Like I just somehow believed that. And even if the money didn’t come, I was like, well, I’m fine anyway.
Blake Boles (27:36)
Mm.
Ryan Van Duzer (27:40)
Like I’m doing okay. Even though I did not put money into any retirement accounts until I was aged like 41, like five years ago, I didn’t have any retirement money at all. When all of my friends, you know, have 401ks and retirements and you know, maybe multiple houses and you know, that just wasn’t me.
Blake Boles (27:41)
Hmm.
Let’s talk about something you just mentioned. You could leave whatever you were doing on a Tuesday when a friend came into town to go hiking with them or something like that. Go ride your bicycle. We’re recording on a Tuesday and it’s a very sunny Tuesday where I am and I decided at 10 30 this morning, I’m going to go for a two hour trail run in the hills. The foliage is incredible right now. And to me that is this like ultimate resource.
Ryan Van Duzer (28:16)
Yeah.
Blake Boles (28:28)
this mode of flexible self-employment and this time wealth. ⁓ I get the feeling from a lot of online content creators ⁓ that their lives may appear to be rich in time, but really they’re constantly ⁓ shooting and editing and they’re in front of screens and it’s all just a big facade and charade. And tell me, since you, I’m sure know many people in this realm, from your own experience and from other people’s experience,
To what extent is this true and have you been able to avoid this fate of like not ever being able to forget about a camera or forget about filming and actually just go out there and do a thing for yourself?
Ryan Van Duzer (29:12)
Yeah, you know, that’s a really good question because people ask me a lot, like, you know, when you’re on your adventures, are you enjoying yourself or is it work? And it’s a, it’s a bit of both. Of course, when I’m on a bike adventure, my mind is focused on creating content because if I don’t come back with a good story, I don’t really have a good video. And so when I film, I have three different cameras.
that I’m thinking about and all the batteries and memory cards. And it’s, so it’s, it’s a lot of work. Oh, I need to stop. I should get the drone out now. I should set up the tripod and get some shots. You know, I might be at mile 70 or 80 for the day on my bike and exhausted. And the last thing I want to do is pull out the camera, but I do because those are the genuine raw moments that my audience likes when things are hard because we can all relate to life being
hard in some way, shape or form. So my day to day life in Boulder is full of freedom. Yeah. I edit videos, I sit at my computer, but then I’ll just run out the door like you did and go on a trail run or ride my bike or go to lunch with somebody. I truly value my freedom and that, that means a lot to me. You know, yes, I’m making more money now, but I’m still living essentially the same life that I always did when I wasn’t making much money.
where I have lot of freedom. And to me, that’s worth more than any dollar amount.
Blake Boles (30:45)
Hmm. What do you not spend money on that lots of other people in Boulder do spend money on?
Ryan Van Duzer (30:51)
Well, one is a car, you know, never had a car in my life. I don’t spend a lot of money. I don’t go out all that often. I quit drinking alcohol 10 years ago. I used to go out to the bars a lot and spend lots of money on partying. I don’t do that anymore. I don’t go to dinner very often. mean, Boulder is an expensive place. You could spend a lot of money by just going out for food, you know, a few times a week. I don’t do that much. ⁓ what else do I not spend money on?
I don’t know, just things like I have everything that I need. I have my bike, you know, and.
Blake Boles (31:27)
How many bikes?
Ryan Van Duzer (31:29)
I do have quite a few bikes because I work for a bike company. But for most of my life, I had one bike. But now that I help design bikes, I have quite a few bikes. I have like five or six bikes right now. You know, but they’re for different things. I have like a road bike for the road and mountain bikes for mountain biking and my adventure bike when I go on a big, you know, month long bike packing trip, all that kind of stuff. and my cruiser bike when I want to go cruising. So, you know. ⁓
Blake Boles (32:00)
How does it feel like this life is not currently working or maybe feels unsustainable to you? It sounds like you had this big breakthrough in the money department. ⁓ You have clearly a lot of enthusiasm and confidence and there are still ways that I’m sure you feel like, I’m not sure if this is going to work out for me. The dark night of the soul moments. Give me some rawness here, Ryan.
Ryan Van Duzer (32:23)
Yeah.
you got it. Here we go. I question what I’m doing all the time and I always have, even though I’m full of confidence and I always believe like I’m going to make this work and the money is going to come someday. And you know, it does, I don’t have to be a huge superstar, but I’ll make enough to be happy. And now that I’m making more money and I’m trying to sustain this and you know, be a responsible human and put money in my retirement accounts.
It’s, ⁓ it’s a little, you know, I wonder, another thing is I’ve always been, you know, very athletic, very strong athletically. can, you know, go from thing to thing, a big adventure to big adventure. Now that I’m 46, I do feel like it’s getting harder to go from one adventure to the next adventure to the next, you know, cause these adventures are hard. A lot of times I’m pushing my body to the limits. I’m filming the process all day long.
You know, I’m sleeping in a tent that feels less comfortable these days. I’m not getting as good asleep. Then I come home and I edit and I grind and I put it out there and then I’m like, okay, I got to go on another adventure. And so whereas maybe 10 years ago I couldn’t get enough of going on these adventures. Now I’m dialing it back and I’m like, you know what? I really value being home and building community and hanging out with my mom.
Blake Boles (33:39)
Mm.
Ryan Van Duzer (33:46)
So yeah, I wonder, is this sustainable? How much longer can I do this? You know, in the current state that I’m doing it, you know, what would I do if I don’t do this? I’ve always been a storyteller in some way, or form. How does it, how does that look going forward? So yeah, I, know, for the first time in my life, I would say the last couple of years, I’ve really questioned how much longer can I be an adventure YouTube guy? And if you look at my hair,
It’s almost all gray now, so I’m not like this young spunky whippersnapper out traveling the world. I’m like a middle-aged dude, which is fine because there’s plenty of middle-aged people watching YouTube videos. And I think it’s important to show that all ages can go on an adventure, whatever that adventure looks like to you, and push your body however far you want to push it.
Blake Boles (34:41)
On the note of organizing, well, I noticed you did something cool recently called the Boulder Adventure Weekend. And this seems like it’s touching on that local organizing community type thing. And it’s something that is not pushing your body to some extreme limit on some multi-month trip. Tell me about that.
Ryan Van Duzer (34:41)
Yeah, I don’t know where I’m going from here, Blake.
yeah.
Yeah. So my audience for years has asked me to lead tours. They want to come on a bike tour with me or something. And I want to do this really badly, but I know that it’s so much logistical work to get the insurance and find places to go. It’d be in charge of 10 or 15 people on a bike tour. They’re all different ability levels. So for me, it always felt very overwhelming to even think about starting a tour company. And I still have not.
But this summer I did invite my audience to Boulder and I said, I am going to curate an awesome Boulder weekend where you’re to come here and we’re going to ride bikes. You’re going to see everything that I do in my videos and you’re going to experience it firsthand. And we’re going to stay at my friend’s adventure hotel. It’s pretty economical. I didn’t really charge people, you know, this wasn’t a money making event. It was more just fun and community and we had a blast and we had people.
in their twenties up to couples, you know, in their sixties from all over the country. And it was really, really fun to meet my subscribers in real life and just spend some time with them at a time when the world seems dark and scary. was really important to look at all these wonderful humans. 65 people came and be like, you know what? We’re going to be okay. Humans are great. And I have all these people from all over the United States here hanging out.
We’re having a great time and we’re all valuing, you know, the, great outdoors and riding bikes and health and wellness and okay, I feel better about the world now. So going forward, I would like to do more of this type of stuff. And that might be a new avenue for me where I do something like bike tours or adventure tour groups.
Blake Boles (36:36)
Mm.
Well, that’s my work. take teenagers on adventure travel programs and so happy to chat with you. ⁓ We’ll talk. I want to dig a bit into your sort of social mission. And you just mentioned health, wellness, biking, nature. I know that one of your catchphrases is get off the couch. And maybe I really want to just figure out where this came from.
Ryan Van Duzer (36:54)
Oh, that’s awesome. We need to talk.
Blake Boles (37:17)
for you, both in a positive way, why do you think this is important, but also in a negative way. Like what do you hate about the image of a lot of people sitting at home on their couches instead of going out there, maybe sitting at home consuming a lot of YouTube content or other short form video or Netflix or whatever it might be. ⁓ Where do the emotions around this mission of get off the couch come from?
Ryan Van Duzer (37:46)
I have always valued getting outside personally. Ever since I was a kid, I’ve loved running and biking and connecting with nature. And I’m glad that I grew up in a town like Boulder where a lot of people value mother nature and getting outside and pushing your limits. You know, I ran track and cross country as a young person and rode my bike everywhere. And I, for me, just, it’s all, it’s been important for my mental health.
to go outside and it doesn’t have to be a huge run or a huge bike ride. Just going outside a little bit every day goes a really long way. And when I do push myself, I think it’s valuable in the sense that as humans, we are capable of so much more than we think we are. You know, I do these hundred mile races and people are like, Oh, I could never do that. Which is the wrong mindset because you know what? I think you could do this because I’m
Blake Boles (38:16)
Mm. Mm-hmm.
Ryan Van Duzer (38:45)
nothing special. I’m not an elite athlete. I just decided to devote some time into training and pulling this off and I did it and I found a lot of value in the training and pushing my body. And you know, you get to the point in some of these races where you want to quit, but you don’t, you keep moving forward little by little and all of these messages can be attributed, you know, attributed to real life.
and real life situations where, maybe you’re not running a hundred miles, but you’re, you’re going through a tough time at work or with a relationship and you don’t quit, right? No, you, try to find a way to, move through it. And I think as humans, we need to get a little bit better at that because we live in a world that is so comfortable where we don’t have to do much. We rarely have to go outside if you don’t even want to.
You know, we were watching screens all the time and we’re not watching screens. put AirPods in our ears and listen to something. And so we’re always distracted by something. Whereas I want to be more connected to the world around me. And that’s through running and biking or whatever it is. I don’t know if I went off on a bit of a tangent there, but, yeah, that’s kind of my philosophy.
Blake Boles (39:59)
I still want
to dig into the negative side of it. I want to crack your eggshell of positivity and find out what disgusts you, Ryan? You just look at something happening. You just named a few things, ⁓ screen time, for example, disconnection. But ⁓ what is it that you feel like you need to become a motivational speaker or make ⁓ YouTube videos that inspire people? Why can’t?
Ryan Van Duzer (40:03)
Yeah.
Yeah.
Blake Boles (40:28)
people figure out how to get off the couch in other ways, you know, reading the other books, watching the other filmmakers who are out there. What do you have to uniquely contribute to this world that keeps you doing this day after day, month after month?
Ryan Van Duzer (40:43)
Yeah. Well, first of all, I’m glad that there are other people that do this type of work in different ways. Cause my message might not connect with everybody, but somebody else’s message might. And as long as we’re all working in this world together to try to make the world a better place. I know that’s a broad statement, but I believe in it. I’ve always said that I want to make the world a better place. I just think that we’re, we humans are more disconnected than ever to other humans.
A lot of people will live in an apartment building or a housing complex for years and never interact with their neighbors. And that to me seems like kind of an American thing. When I lived in Honduras, I lived in a small village and life is on the streets there. Like all the kids are interacting with each other. The parents come out, you know, in the evenings when it’s cooled down and sit on the porch and hang out and talk with all of their neighbors.
And it just feels a lot more connected there. And I’ve traveled all over Latin America and I feel like this is very true. Whereas in the United States or other Western countries, people go to work all day long. They’re sitting in front of the computer. They drive home into a garage. They shut the garage door. They go inside. They sit on their couch. They watch TV, you know, and I’m not saying this is wrong or bad, but I just don’t feel like we’re, connecting much with people outside of our own.
little worlds and families. So my
Blake Boles (42:10)
So how does getting people off
of the couch and into nature contribute to the mission of social connection? I definitely empathize with it, but I don’t see the connection there yet.
Ryan Van Duzer (42:20)
Yeah, well, I just think like if once you start going outside more, once you start, you you realize like, wow, nature is so beautiful. I haven’t like played in the grass since I was a kid and now I’m 35 years old and I’m reliving that. And then while you’re out there, maybe you’re walking your dog or something. You meet your neighbors and you create a connection with them or you join a local run club and you have all these new friends now with common goals and interests. And you know, they, you know,
you travel to a national park and you realize, wow, this Yosemite place or the redwoods are so beautiful. I want to do whatever I can to help protect these places. Because when you really go somewhere and you feel it and you touch it, you feel an emotional connection to it. You want it to, to last there for other generations. So maybe you get involved in environmentalism or whatever it is. Whereas when you’re at home and you’re watching things on TV and you’re disconnected from the world, you don’t care.
about Yosemite national park or some far off place. Cause you’ve never been there, but once you have been there and you meet the people face to face and or the trees face to face, whatever it is, you know, we have a president right now in the United States that I doubt has ever gone camping in his life or even been to like a national park. And because of that, I don’t think he cares about conservation, you know? And I think that’s a problem.
Sorry if I went on a little political rant there, but you know.
Blake Boles (43:42)
I know, no, this is
what I’m here for. Listen, I align with nearly all of your values. ⁓ Just to return to your experience in Honduras or traveling in Central America more broadly or other parts of the world. I feel like when a country becomes more wealthy, the first thing that happens is people purchase more privacy. And we just kind of retreat into our little castles. And this happens at the family level.
Ryan Van Duzer (44:04)
Yeah.
Blake Boles (44:10)
where like you don’t have to have two kids in one room anymore. Every kid gets their own room. Or if you’re looking at like real poverty, it’s not like the whole family sharing a tiny little essentially studio, but all of a sudden you have this huge 3000 square foot suburban house. And you add into that the developments in communication technology. And then everyone is on their own devices in their own spaces. And then you kind of come down, maybe you eat a meal together, maybe.
And then you retreat back into your own little ⁓ bubbles of privacy. So I just want to keep pushing on this a little bit, Ryan, because I think it’s a really difficult thing to tackle. You’re going up against like large scale, historical, economic, and technological forces. And I think that sending people into the outdoors is very good for mental health reasons. It’s good for developing an environmental ethic that can lead to conserving natural places.
but I don’t yet see how it gets people more socially connected. And I’m not expecting you to have all the answers, you know, to all these problems, but I am curious if you have, you’ve worked this out in your speaking and in your messaging, ⁓ does more time in nature necessarily lead to more connection or are we just out there kind of still with our AirPods in, but we just happen to be taking our dog for a walk or bike packing the, you know,
across the US.
Ryan Van Duzer (45:41)
Yeah, that’s a very good point. And I think, ⁓ I’m, I keep pushing this message because it’s always been my message of getting out there, just like the simple act of getting outside and for, know, the Boulder adventure weekend example where I had 60 strangers fly to Boulder and throughout that weekend, everybody got to know each other.
You know, obviously when you go to a new place and there’s new people, maybe you’re a little bit shy or it’s awkward or you don’t feel as in shape as other people or whatever it is, you start comparing yourself. But by the end of that weekend, everybody was so close to one another and it was, it was a beautiful thing to witness. Like everybody gelling as a group. And now we have this big WhatsApp group and everybody’s still chatting with one another.
Blake Boles (46:29)
Yeah.
Ryan Van Duzer (46:34)
And Hey, I want to come visit you here or there. And so I do think that, you know, my work on a small level, putting videos out into the world, showing people how fun it is to ride your bike, how meaningful it is to connect with people in small villages in Latin America, which I do on my adventures and the value of conserving nature and why it’s important. talk about a lot of this in my videos, you know,
climate change or whatever’s going on on my mind at the time. And, uh, I, just, think because of what you said, you know, everybody has a little device and they go to their room and they hang out and you don’t need to interact with anybody. We’re losing the ability to interact with one another. I go to schools and I talk to young people who are very awkward because all they do all day is stare at their phone. So they don’t really know.
how to interact with adults or even people their own age and they can retreat to their phone where they have their little happy place. And I’m not saying it’s all bad. Like phones are fun. I have a phone. There are times when I look at it too long or I find entertainment on my phone. I just think there’s balance and we need to have a bit more balance in our lives. But being outside, going outside has to be, I think a large part of a healthy, well-rounded life.
Blake Boles (47:50)
Yeah.
⁓ I agree with you. wonder do you ever tell people to use warm showers or couchsurfing or any of these other websites where you you stay with people for free along your bicycle tour?
Ryan Van Duzer (48:07)
Yeah.
Absolutely. Yeah. I think those websites connect wonderful people with other wonderful people, because if you’re a warm showers host, it means that you’ve probably been on some bike adventures yourself and you want to extend your house to somebody who really needs a warm shower and a bed and a little recharge. And so you’re, you’re connecting like-minded people and you know, a lot of times warm shower guests, maybe there’s one here in Boulder.
and somebody from Italy comes in and then you get to learn a little bit more about Italy and people from all over the world. And so it’s just like a great way for cross-cultural connection, same as couch surfing. And on my adventures, a lot of times I don’t pre book my warm showers because I don’t exactly know where I’m going to end up, but I’m just meeting wonderful humans randomly and they, Hey, you can sleep on our backyard. Hey, we’ll, cook you dinner tonight. And that’s happened over and over and over.
all these wonderful human interactions and I show them on my channel and people say, wow, you know, all I’ve heard about Mexico is that it’s dangerous and it’s a narco state and that we shouldn’t travel there. But now Ryan is showing me that Mexicans are pretty awesome and they’re hospitable and very generous. So it’s my way of being an ambassador for the world through my channel. When I show people, Hey, humans all over this planet are inherently good.
Blake Boles (49:39)
Hmm. I feel like this is the real thread that ties together this whole conversation, Ryan, because your formative experience riding your bike from Honduras back to Colorado in your early twenties, after the Peace Corps, you were meeting people, you were staying with people along the way. sounds like an intensively social experience and cross-cultural and eye-opening, world-opening experience. And when you encourage people to go stay with a warm showers host, it’s a smaller version.
of that. Although when you say it connects like-minded people, ⁓ my experience with my first long bike tour in 2020, which started right before the pandemic hit, ⁓ I was riding from essentially the New York City area down the East coast towards Florida and then over to Texas. And I was staying with a lot of families through warm showers that were, you know, definitely came from different like religious and political foundations than me.
And I think that the sort of coastal versus ⁓ inland or the derogatory term flyover country parts of America are interacting less and less in something like a cross-country bicycle ride, whether you’re starting in Kansas and you end up in San Francisco and you’re like, this is a different world or vice versa. I mean, that is…
Serious social connection through meeting people who are probably coming from pretty different places from you Not just another totally aligned bicycle enthusiast it’s not gonna blow your mind the same way that staying with a Family who invites you in when you’re cycling through it a supposedly dangerous part of Mexico might feel but it’s all there But to even make this possible you have to get off your couch Yeah
Ryan Van Duzer (51:28)
Yeah, absolutely.
And I think what you just said is, is really important because, you know, I have ridden my bike through Kansas and across Iowa many times in a big event called Rag Bri where 20,000 people ride their bikes across Iowa. And, know, and I have some preconceived notions about the Midwest, but now that I’ve been to these places on the ground, I’ve met people in small town cafes or in their homes. I love Iowa.
And I love Kansas because of the people I’ve met. And yes, we’re probably politically very different. And we think about life differently in some ways. And then I think I’m some weirdo, bolder hippie dude on a bike, but we have a great connection on a lot of other aspects of life and they’ll never forget meeting me and I’ll never forget meeting them. And I think that’s what makes the world go round. One of my favorite stories to tell is when I was riding across the country in 2009 and I was in West Virginia.
and I’m riding up a mountain road and this gentleman drives up beside me in a red truck and he yells out the window in a good way, you know, cause you never know. Sometimes the drivers can be mad and he goes, Hey man, where are you going? And I looked at him, I’m still peddling and I said, I’m going to Washington DC. And he goes, no way man. Well come over here and talk to me over. So he gets in front of me in the car and kind of leads me down a dirt road and he gets out and he goes, my name’s Danny.
And you know, I know what it’s like to be on the road and you can stay here tonight. And I’ve got some macaroni and cheese and crystal light. And man, to me in that moment, I was like, that sounds great. I want some macaroni and this dude from West Virginia who had been a coal miner his whole life, a way different lifestyle than what, how I grew up in Boulder. And we connected on so many different things and I’m still in touch with this guy. I call him on his birthday and.
on holidays. And again, he is politically in some other ways, way different than me, but we love each other.
Blake Boles (53:34)
Hmm. Yeah, that’s a beautiful story. I have a tango teacher who I really adore who once told me, ⁓ your identity is not what matters, Blake. It’s how courageous you are and how many risks you’re willing to take. And he said this in the context of dance, but I hear this, ⁓ in so many other places in life now, including in what you just said. And maybe this is what I felt was important to discuss that just getting people.
Outside to go run a marathon for the first time or to go on the first bicycle trip. It’s like that’s an important step. But if you’re going to address the social connection issue, then there needs to be this, this like courageous risk taking step where you go on a longer trip and you will it’s, like your Odyssey, right? It’s like, you need to go out into where there be dragons and, and stay with some actual strangers.
Get into some situations where maybe you you need to rely upon the kindness of strangers This sounds like what formed you or though these kinds of experiences not just spending a bit more time ⁓ Outside living in a beautiful place, know, both are important But but I’m really curious and and I think I would love to see you bring people together in in these face-to-face ways like you’ve started doing maybe I would not envy you necessarily if you were going to lead ⁓
multi-level, you know, bicycle tours that that does sound like a bit of a nightmare to me. But but I think more of the face-to-face stuff and especially bringing together people from really disparate backgrounds is like the only way forward. I struggle to think of any way to to get people off their phones and to have them think more broadly about like, maybe all these people I read about in the news are not the terrible demons that I imagine them to be.
Ryan Van Duzer (55:30)
That’s so well said. I love it. You, you’re totally my style. And, ⁓ I do think it’s important, especially right now where the world in one way is very connected, you know, through technology, but also disconnected because of it. And there’s a lot of misinformation and you can have bias towards something or someone because of some nonsense that’s online that may or may not be true.
And it is important to like meet these people face to face human to human and really like connect. You know, I just did a bike ride two weeks ago in Mississippi, the deep South. And of course I have some bias against the deep South, you know, growing up in Colorado, much more progressive minded, at least in my mind. And I went down there and rode my bike and I met wonderful people the entire way in small towns.
small town country stores and they, you know, just want to, you know, embrace you. They’re like, my gosh, you’re not from here. You know, come on in. We’re going to teach you about our culture a little bit. And you know, that famous Southern sweet tea and tell you about what’s important to us. And it was, it was a fascinating experience to ride through Mississippi and Alabama and learn more.
about my own country, which I do love and I’ve always deeply loved, but I’ve had some hangups recently because of what’s going on with our government and the world. But then I go someplace where I have, you know, some preconceived notions about people. And then I’m like, wow, you know what? These people are great. They’re, they’re awesome. And yeah, we might disagree on some things and some things that maybe really are vital to the progress of our country or whatever.
but we also do connect on some other things.
Blake Boles (57:26)
And I’m sure the people in Mississippi, when they see you, they say, this is someone who is doing something out of courage and is taking a risk. And that is something, I mean, that’s a universally valued trait. We all see this in other people and we, admire it. respect it. ⁓
Ryan Van Duzer (57:35)
Yeah.
Yeah. And
we want to help people. think humans inherently want to help other humans. And there’s been so many times on my bike trips. I’m sure you experienced it or maybe I broke something on my bike or I needed a little help or water and out of nowhere, a trail angel comes. That’s what I call somebody who saves the day when you don’t call for them. You know, they just happen to live in this small town or they’re driving by and they stop because they see you on the side of the road.
And they’re like, Hey man, what’s going on? Can I help you? And they drive you to the next town or whatever it is. And I’ve had so many of those experiences where humans just want to help other humans. And I love that because we, we need more of this.
Blake Boles (58:25)
Beautiful. All right, last few questions for you, Ryan. ⁓ Winter is coming. What do you do when it’s cold and cold rain, snow, slush, mud? How do you still get off the couch ⁓ without abandoning the Northern Hemisphere completely?
Ryan Van Duzer (58:42)
No, you know, winter is not my favorite time of year. I like warm weather. I like shorts and a t-shirt. I like running out my door on my bike and feeling comfortable all day. But that being said, you know, I do love the different changing seasons and I’ve come to embrace winter a bit more. It is harder to get out. No doubt, even for me, the get out there guy.
to get out of the house when it’s cold, because it’s not as comfortable, right? That’s why we all go to Mexico or tropical places in the winter. But I think there’s a lot of beauty in the winter. The winter slows us down. I think it’s great to have some rest time. And, you know, if you do want to get out and like, you know, get your blood going, get your heart pumping, you know, I still run in the winter. You could run on, you know, snowy trails. You can bike to a degree.
on some snowy trails, but I personally slow down in the winter. There’s no doubt after a long spring and summer of action, but ⁓ just the little things, getting outside, breathing fresh air, just maybe 20, 30 minutes a day is good for you.
Blake Boles (59:55)
And can you give us a preview of any upcoming adventures, whether on a bicycle or otherwise, that people can look forward to seeing if they follow you online?
Ryan Van Duzer (1:00:05)
Yeah, next summer, I guess this is kind of a ways away next June, I’m going to ride the great divide mountain bike route. This is a route that I have done before, but I’m going to do it in conjunction with the adventure cycling association. This is their 50th year. And what they have done throughout the years is they’ve created all these wonderful bike touring routes all over the United States and they want to celebrate, you know, bike touring essentially.
And so I’m going to ride the great divide mountain bike route with them. And we’re going to do meetups all the way down the route so people can come and meet me. Like you were saying earlier, face to face, human to human. This is going to be great because I’m going to be able to ride my bike for 2,700 miles and not be alone and make new friends. So I’m really excited about that.
Blake Boles (1:00:55)
Amazing. If people want to find you, I’m sure they just type your name, Ryan Van Duzer into Instagram or YouTube. Do you have any other advice for finding you online or is that pretty much it? That’ll do the trick. And you have a book also that came out a few years ago called The Long Way Home, which is about that ride from Honduras to Boulder back after the Peace Corps, right?
Ryan Van Duzer (1:01:07)
That’ll do the trick for sure.
Yep, absolutely. And I, it’s a, it’s a really fun book. I’ve gotten some, some of the best reviews I’ve gotten on the book were from people who were like, I have not read a book and I don’t know how long, maybe 10 more years, 10 plus years. And then I read your book and it was really fun. yeah.
Blake Boles (1:01:30)
What a compliment. Is there anything else
you want to make sure people know about before we close?
Ryan Van Duzer (1:01:38)
Now just, mean, you know, we’ve talked about some really big adventures and big travels. I want people to know, and I always say this, like it doesn’t have to be big or giant or intimidating. You don’t have to have the best gear. You don’t have to have an elite body to get outside. You know, really you got to tap into like your, your youthful child mindset of just playing, you know, go outside with your friends, go on a walk, take your dogs on a walk, a hike that that might lead to bigger things.
And bigger things might lead to, know, like you were saying, like having the courage to, go places you never thought you would go before and, and do some big stuff with your life. So just start small and go from there.
Blake Boles (1:02:22)
Ryan Van Duzer, thanks for coming on to Dirtbag Rich.
Ryan Van Duzer (1:02:25)
You got it. Thanks for having me.