On episode #16 of the Real Education Podcast I interview a fellow international trip leader who I met in Nepal last year as we were both leading groups around the country. Japhy works for a well-established travel and gap year company—Where There Be Dragons—and has tons of experience as a leader of young adults and a global traveler and adventurer himself. Enjoy!

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Japhy Dhungana, program director at Where There Be Dragons (wheretherebedragons.com), talks with host Blake Boles about international semester programs and what young people gain from them, his own path from growing up in Nepal to becoming a climbing bum in Yosemite to biking across the Americas, and how to gain a global perspective even if you’re not able to travel.